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So, "Black Friday" good for bargains or another sign of moral decay?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by MrTempleDene, Nov 28, 2014.

  1. buck

    buck Member

    I don't know how old you are, Ann, but I'm 83, and I have seen Britain change from a mighty Imperial power on which the sun never set. where my mother washed all the clothes by hand and wrung out in the back yard with a mangle, a toilet out in tha back of the yard and no hot water. We went to thye pictures then, and watched Fred Astaire dance with Ginger Rogers in a miraculous land of big cars and night clubs. But the war came and all that changed. It's still changing. Gone are the friendly get togethers with friends out in the street. They had something called Halloween in America, where the kids dressed up as zombies, witches or ghosts and got sweets that they called candy, and somehow it caught on in Britain long after I had left for Canada and the US. America never forced Britain to take up Halloween. You had Guy Fawkes night a few nights later, why did you need Halloween? You took up Black Friday, which is the day following Thanksgiving Thursday and marks the beginning of Christmas sales in America. You don't do Thanksgiving , so why Black Friday. No, you are being hoodwinked by your own big businesses and blaming America for it. There is still a strong isolationist element in American society whih believes in America for Americans and nobody else. I don't subscrbe to that and think it right for us to help others in the world not as liucky as we are. I think, despite everything this is a much better time to be raising families here or over there than it ever was before. Many many of us have at least one car in the family, central heating, bathrooms. Good luck, Ann, and a Happy New Year.
     
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  3. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    I agree with a lot of what you say but sometimes I just wonder why we are getting so Americanised. Like you say we do not need Halloween but it is the norm now. And the Black Friday was dpublicised a lot by Wall mart which run Asda now and as you say all the big business jumped on the bandwagon. I thought the pictures on the tv of shoppers on Black Friday were awful and I for one did not bother with it at all.
     
  4. buck

    buck Member

    :icon_smile:
    Let me assure you, Ann, that though there is a giant Walmart store less than 2 miles from my house, I did not participate in Black Friday, nor ever have. It would have been foolish at my wife's and my ages. In any case we have everything we need in life. On the contrary, my wife will go into Walmart after Christmas to buy wrapping paper and toys ready for next Christmas at very reduced prices. Helps a lot with seven grandkids. On Black Friday we went by the store parking lot, which can take 5000 cars, and not one of them unoccupied.:icon_smile:
     
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  5. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    I do not blame you for not going. And every year I say the same that I am going to get the cards and wrapping paper in the sales but never seem to do so. Mind on saying that I overbought wrapping paper this year and still have two full rolls left and nearly a full box of cards.
     
  6. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    I don't see mobs of anti-Halloween protesters marching in the streets of Britain. What I do see here in the US when they show news of Europe are anti-immigrant protesters marching in the streets of cities across the EU and the gradual rise of right wing political groups such as the UKIP in Britain

    I suppose those people rightly or wrongly see the possible Islamisation of Europe a bigger threat than a fancy dress toddlers and kids night out import from America
     
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  7. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    You see on tv what your goverment want you to see. Did you not say that to me a few atatements back with comments on Black Friday. You seem to change your mind with every post you make. Why are you now in the US. You know nothing apart from what you see or read about the UK. And why deride us when your goverment asks us for help all the time. To me you are as misinformed as your goverment and as arrogant as they are. Britain is a multi cultural society and as such has good and bad people in it. Is the Us any different? As for political parties how many
    are there in the US. As fsr as I know 2 replubicans and democdrats. Never see any others in the running Look to your own before you pull others.
     
  8. buck

    buck Member

    They never go out of date though, do they. My wife is from a large family in the Republic of Ireland, so we always need lots of stamps and wrapping paper. I had not been home to the UK since 1989 when my brother died, but every year to Ireland. We went to Oslo from Shannon to visit friends, and had to change planes in Heathrow, so I was home for about an hour. Not much chance to see how the country was doing. I got more from watching Sheffield being a stage of the Tour De France than from anybody there.
     
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  9. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    Eh ???? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Shan"t go to your house on Halloweeny night so theer :icon_lol::icon_lol:
     
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  10. buck

    buck Member

    As for multi culture there is only one difference between the UK and the US, and that America is significantly more so. People from all over the world continue to come in legally and otherwise as the population climbs to well over 300 million. Many Americans born here are only one generation from what people on the UK forums like to call pretend Americans. We have two parties as you noted . That's more than enough for anybody. Your Liberal party is a joke.
     
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  11. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    At least we have more than two choices of who to elect. Not all people think either one way or the other,
    Ann
     
  12. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    The UK Liberal party which was a major party in the early years of the 20th century effectively lost it's power in the 1920s as the Labour Party took office for the first time and which continued to grow through the 1930s and into the years following WW2. Only country squires voted Liberal after that: Today the Liberal Party while holding some seats in Parliament would be clearly useless as a government in power since it's political agenda doesn't appeal to voters in the main on the right or the left.

    You shouldn't be so fast off the mark to slag off me as ignorant since it's quite obvious you know nothing of the US either.


    For your enlightenment (which is badly needed) here's a list of the main US political parties:

    Democrat Party

    Republican Party

    Constitution Party

    Green Party

    Libertarian Party
     
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  13. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    It was you who agreed that you had two parties. "We have two parties as you noted . That's more than enough for anybody. Your Liberal party is a joke." I also could have looked up the American parties but could not be bothered as I am not that interested.
    Ann
     
  14. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    Say what? :icon_confused: I never agreed on anything about "having two parties" You are obviously confusing me with someone else.

    There is no "liberal" party either. There is a Libertarian Party whose political agenda bears no resemblance to that of the UK Liberal Party.

    That said if the subject interests you no further then just clock out of the thread
     
  15. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    Yes I think I will as it is getting boring.
     
  16. buck

    buck Member

    That wasn't Jar Ed who said that, it was me.There are only two parties that really matter, neither of them socialist in the English sense, though the demcocrata are more people oriented and the GOP ( republicans ) more for business. It served the needs for a long tiime but there has been some friiction in the GOP because of the faction called the tea paty. All a third party would do is to cause more stagnation in the country than has happened until recently. I have no right to dictate to you what you shoulld be voting for in the UK, any more than you have any right to complain about what we choose to do with our government. But I will say this, a party that has no possibility of forming a government, like your liberals, should step aside and leave it to one of the two parties that can. Your lines used to be fairly well drawn. clogs, shawls and flat caps voted labour. Foreman with second hand cars, squires, fish and chip shop proprietors, and the armed forces voted conservative. Simple. Who needs liberals.
     
  17. buck

    buck Member

    If you jump into a thread with insult in mind, then prepare to be challenged. You clearly do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the US, so you trot out all the tired old prejudices based on other people's opinions. I have no fight with you. When I write to you I'm trying to explain to you what this place is all about. I live here in perfect happiness and peace surrounded by my youngsters who would be a credit to any nation they happened to come from. It just so happens they're American.
     
  18. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    I have not insulted any one, Where do you get that. I am glad you are happy where you are and I do apologise for misquoting you to some one else. I admit I do not know a lot about the US apart from what I see on tv where not long ago all where it showed Americans all lived in lovely homes and lately shows shows the worse of areas ie the slums. This is not an American problem it happens everywhere. But if you go back a few years the only things that were shown about America were rich people with huge homes. Not a proper view. And my views are mine alone as I am an individual. Neither is Britain perfect. It also has a lot of things wrong here but at least our programmes show it as it is. Watch Kes a British film and then watch the Burbs an American film or even Dynasty and see the dfference. I am explaining my place to you with all its warts which your place seems to leave out.
     
  19. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    There have been many films made about the poorer side of America. You just need to look them up.... that is of course if your interest has been revived
     
  20. aej1

    aej1 Active Member

    Not really but I do think that the true America is not portayed on here and why should it after all it is a Leeds forum and not an American showcase:hey::hey::hey::nod::nod::nod:
     
  21. jar ed

    jar ed Member

    Who said it was an American showcase? This all started over someone getting all grouchy over British stores aping American stores attracting customers through Black Friday shopping sales.

    Some people may frown on such things and even a harmless and inoffensive kiddy fun night once a year but those people don't run the world. People do things they want to do because it pleases them.

    If the Yanks adopted some custom from the UK and I were native born Yank and liked it I wouldn't get all hissy and say "hey! Those limeys are undermining our customs and way of life"

    As far as I'm concerned we can celebrate Bastille Day, Guy Fawkes Day and the Bavarian Oktoberfest, the latter which we do anyway with our own little Oktoberfests. Nobody's complaining that celebrating the Oktoberfest is underminingng American culture and customs.


    If everybody minded their own business. let others enjoy themselves or do what they want to do I think we could all move into a much better, more peaceful world
     

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