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Should Drugs be Legalised?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by KooK, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    Ganja is another name for cannabis. Cannabis is easier and cheaper to grow and prepare for use than tobacco so if the tax rate was the same, you'd expect it to be about the same price.

    And the equivalent weight of cannabis would last even a very heavy user longer than a tobacco user so it would cost much less than smoking tobacco.

    Of course the tax rate could be higher or the producers could profiteer so it could easily be more expensive by weight. Easy enough for people to grow themselves though.

    Pretty much.
     
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  3. scotv ous

    scotv ous New Member

    Legalise booze, and any drug, and watch them die young
     
  4. Derc

    Derc New Member

    You can get treatment for your Superior Person Syndrome .. lol, you're watching Eastenders too much.
     
  5. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    I think he probably just needs a quick toke to mellow him out. :hey:
     
  6. Derc

    Derc New Member

    'A' hole in one Ollie, neat shot. :hey:
     
  7. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    So should the currently legal ones be banned as well? Alcohol and tobacco are two of the most damaging drugs available. Caffeine has killed more people than magic mushrooms (which were legal up to a few years ago). By the same logic that magic mushrooms were banned, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine should be banned.

    Note that alcohol, tobacco and coffee have all been illegal at certain times and places around the world (alcohol still is) so there's certainly a precedent.

    How hard? Lots of countries already execute dealers. There's a full on war in South America. The drug trade still exists and is one of the biggest markets in the world, up there with oil and arms. How hard line do you think we'd need to be before the illegal drug trade was eliminated, or even curtailed? How much further can we actually go given we're already killing drug dealers?

    Many illegal drug users don't need support. That would be like saying every alcohol user needs support.

    But I can't argue that treating drug abuse as a medical issue is infinitely preferable to treating it as a criminal matter.
     
  8. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

  9. Derc

    Derc New Member

    Oh dear, it's getting rather heavy, do you think I should sue for a divorce, cos I marriedjoanna.
     
  10. Hairyloon

    Hairyloon Active Member

  11. bewerley

    bewerley New Member

    Isn't drug taking a counter productive waste of time, money and human life?

    Having junkies and addicts parasiting on Society cannot be beneficial to anybody
     
  12. Allen

    Allen Heating Engineer

    I do not think it should be Legal.
     
  13. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    Doesn't seem to be to be in most cases to be honest. Do you drink? Is it a waste of time and money? Are you likely to die from it?

    And even if all that were true, would the best way to deal with it be to lock you up, lock up the off licence owners and shoot the brewers?

    Quite right. But it doesn't help anyone sending them to prison. Costs loads and doesn't stop them being addicted to drugs.

    And you seem to be labouring under the illusion that all people who take illegal drugs are addicted. That's like thinking everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
     
  14. bewerley

    bewerley New Member

    It seems that comparing drugs to drinking alcohol is grasping at straws. For years drinking in pubs was more of a social activity than a craving for alcohol. The only connection being that both drugs and alcohol are mood changing.
    Now that social networking is done via the internet the knock-on effect is that pubs are disappearing from the streets rapidly.

    Drugs for recreational use need to be bought illegally exposing buyers to criminal activity with catastrophic results. I don't believe that responsible people would have the inclination to start on a downward spiral of drug taking and that that those who do are those who have nothing to offer society and live selfishly purely in their own heads and ego. They are nowhere people. Its just a shame that we need law when common sense would dictate that drug taking is a dead end street.

    In the 19th century Chinas population was exploited by the British in events leading up to the opium wars. The decision to kick opium and the British, out of the country was the right one as the opium dens were debilitating the whole of Chinese society.
    It is impossible to foresee the damage that decriminalised drug use would do to the Country so why risk it for a few addicts that make a disproportionately loud noise?
     
  15. Hairyloon

    Hairyloon Active Member

    On the other hand, it is entirely possible to look at the direction we are heading with the current policy.
    The facts are simple: the drug barons are better financed, better equipped and better motivated than the enforcement agencies... and that was before the cuts.
    Most of the problems associated with drugs are driven, or at least compounded by the fact they are illegal: you cannot regulate something that is outlawed.

    My answer would be licensing: the individual user would need a licence to buy drugs from a licensed outlet, and the outlet would also be charged with some responsibility for its customers.
    I would also extend the policy to alcohol.
     
  16. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    Alcohol IS a drug and a dangerous and addictive one at that.

    You can't have a sensible debate on drugs whilst pretending that alcohol is somehow different to other drugs.
     
  17. bewerley

    bewerley New Member

    Can you explain why anybody needs drugs? Isn't alcohol enough?

    What is the point of drugs other than to satisfy the selfish cravings of a dissolute generation?

    Would we be a better or worse Country if everything was de-criminalised like in Sodom and Gomorrah?
     
  18. Hairyloon

    Hairyloon Active Member

    That would be funny if I didn't think you meant it.
     
  19. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    Nobody needs recreational drugs, including alcohol. That's not a reason to ban them.

    Fun, relaxation, escapism, socialising, spirituality etc.

    The vast majority of illegal drug users experience no real problems, just like the vast majority of legal drug users. You're concentrating on problem illegal drug users. If they weren't addicted to illegal drugs, they'd be addicted to legal ones.

    Better, in my opinion. And I'd go for full legalisation and regulation, not half measures like de-criminalisation.

    No (or very few) extra people would take drugs (would you?), the drugs that were available would be safer and we wouldn't be spending billions a year on trying to stop people doing things to themselves.
     
  20. bewerley

    bewerley New Member

    What is wrong in druggies lives where they need drugs to mask reality
    Legalising drugs would be the end of society as we know it. The population would be controlled by drug companies.
    Maybe a type of government wants a drugged up populace who can be manipulated but that's a far worse scenarios than HG Wells' Elois and Morlocks.
    It's a bad enough society now but what would be the legacy of a drugged up society?


    The health service has been drugging kids with Ritalin for decades and it's produced zombies.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2012
  21. closedaccount1

    closedaccount1 New Member

    Replace "druggies" with "drinkers" and see if you can see how silly that question is.
     

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