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'Lostprophets' Ian Watkins on child sex offence charges'

Discussion in 'Music Chat' started by Kink, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. Kink

    Kink New Member

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  3. lottiebomb

    lottiebomb New Member

    Favourite Bands:
    Iron Maiden
    Yeah, this was a bit of a shock.
  4. Broady

    Broady Member

    Favourite Bands:
    Weird that 2 girls have been arrested too, must be an odd case.
  5. What goes through these people's minds?
  6. ToxicJosh

    ToxicJosh New Member

    Favourite Bands:
    Gama Bomb, NOFX
    I'm guessing a rider request got leaked, the 2 women were the people collecting it all.

    150 Cans of Stellar Artois
    20 Bottles of Pink Champagne
    a 13 year girl to violate

    Dirty bastard. Knew it when he did that music video dressed as the childcatcher (wish I could remember which video it was)
  7. MQ

    MQ New Member

    Pretty sure you won't get odds on the headline "Pontypeado" being used.
    Trial by media already but from the charges it doesn't sound very good.
  8. performingchimp

    performingchimp New Member



    Dark as ****.
  9. Brader

    Brader New Member

    I put something up on twitter this morning about it and was very careful to use words such as 'alleged' just as a 'innocent until proven guilty' stance.

    Im quite shocked by the amount of responces i got sticking up for him, and how its all total b*llshit. Im not into the whole trial by media he is clearly going to get however Im not understanding the blinkered support hes receiving. Odd
  10. Damian

    Damian New Member

    Adding the word "allegedly" to something otherwise potentially libellous is no legal defence whatsoever (source: the lawyer @davidallengreen on Twitter, who's an expert on this stuff). This is a general fact, I'm not commenting on your Tweets which I haven't seen. Reporting verbatim what has come into the public domain via official channels (i.e. the facts about the charges) is about as much as is permissible.

    I think it's very unwise for anyone to talk about this at all until the guy is either convicted or acquitted. Not least because if he is acquitted, he's going to need a lot of help.
  11. performingchimp

    performingchimp New Member

    I agree, but the thing with these cases, in terms of historic cases with people coming forward, is that the police are SUPPOSED to have a huge weight of evidence before making an arrest.

    Personally I don't think names should be named until after court cases, but that is deemed impractical. So as it stands, it's ridiculous (and it's censorship of the worst kind: against the public) to tell people not to opine on twitter, on forums or down the pub.
  12. I agree with this in so many different cases. The old 'no smoke without fire' thing usuallu gets mentioned but imagine if you were accused of the same and you were completely innocent and proven so in a court of law. The stigma would never disapear.
  13. MQ

    MQ New Member

    Denied bail. In custody til Dec 31st. Via James McMahon on Twitter.
  14. ToxicJosh

    ToxicJosh New Member

    Favourite Bands:
    Gama Bomb, NOFX
    There's a real difference between, 'wanted for questioning', and, 'charged', though.

    Possession and distribution of child porn is something that they would have pretty clear evidence of (I would imagine). The conspiracy charges are probably a lot harder to prove and their evidence is probably less clear cut. (All total speculation). Given that he's been formally charged lends me to the belief that the police are fairly confident that he done it.
  15. Kink

    Kink New Member

    Is there some kind of very basic resource for social media users that explains media law relating to trials and things like that? If not, there should be.

    I can barely remember most of it, but we had a big ****-off book, no small part of which was about what specific things you can and can't report both before and during a trial (which is different in both cases). Stuff that people can get hammered for on Twitter but can't be expected to know.

    As far as I can remember, it's mainly about the potential of prejudicing a jury during a trial (as well as defamation)
  16. Les oeufs du chien

    Les oeufs du chien New Member

    Someone did post a guide recently (after the McAlpine stuff) - might have been @Fleetstreetfox, can't remember, but it was aimed at twitter/facebook users.

    Lostprophets were embarrasingly bad, a boyband for people who thought of themselves as 'alternative'.
  17. Seany

    Seany Active Member

    Favourite Bands:
    !!!, Can, Mars Volta
    the first EP was suppose to be ok, i never got round to listening to it. hopefully ferne cotton is ok.
  18. Damian

    Damian New Member

    I don't disagree on the second paragraph, although obviously I don't make the law. I do wish people were able to exercise self-restraint though. The whole "why can't we just be nice?" thing has died with the Internet age. You (rightly) got aggrieved the other day when a certain Leeds-based band said that they liked to deliberately annoy you. They have every right to do that, but wouldn't it be nice if they didn't?
  19. Damian

    Damian New Member

    I realise, incidentally, that the parallels are extremely loose here but hopefully you know what I mean. I'm talking about the stuff where people are now having a laugh because they didn't like the band, making jokes that juxtapose their song titles with current events and so on, when I talk about what I particularly don't like. Stuff like "I really didn't see this coming"... no big deal, if a little pointless.
  20. performingchimp

    performingchimp New Member

    Actually, they don't. It was just banter and I don't think they don't really only post here to annoy me. But you can't harass somebody online. And if they did, you wouldn't be able to talk about it!

    The question is: is the internet just chatting down the pub, or is it published media? It can be both.

    What it really is, is every human alive spilling their mind puke endlessly into a void.
  21. Brader

    Brader New Member

    Just seen what the charges are on the independant website.

    I feel very sick.

    He shall be pleading not guilty.

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