...they have though haven't they? Been thinking this a lot recently, in 2002 Leeds was stinky and grimy, the streets were grimy from building work, you had piss stinky my indie nightmare Cockpit, piss stinky Bassment/Phono. Obviously there were rougher pubs like Lil's/Vine and that but I'm talking more about actual dirt and shabbiness. There's a few 'rustic' type places but nowhere seems that unhygienic or dilapidated anymore. I like cleanliness and good quality products as much as next person (though it comes at price innit)but with all the gentrification I think I miss a bit of the piss stinky. Can anyone think of any places that are still really shit dirty and low quality?