Ian tomlinson unlawful killing

pk014b7161 · 03-05-2011, 20:21

it looks like the policeman who hit tomlinson could face prosecution as the jury have found a case of unlawful killing,after seeing the CCTV footage the policeman was unnecessarily violent and in my opinion comes across as a thuggish bully,what do you people think

Oldgoat · 04-05-2011, 18:01

I think that you have many axes to grind and cannot offer any constructive discussion.
Change the record.

pk014b7161 · 04-05-2011, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Oldgoat

I think that you have many axes to grind and cannot offer any constructive discussion.
Change the record.

oo pardon me for breathing matron

Joe · 04-05-2011, 21:07

Crikey Oldgoat... Where did that come from?

PK - I reckon you're absolutely spot on.

rosie · 14-05-2011, 14:53

after watching this on the news many times i agree with the jurys findings, it shouldnt have happened, policeman arent supposed to attack defenceless people, a thuggish bully as u say pk

pk014b7161 · 24-05-2011, 15:33

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bewerley · 25-05-2011, 11:50

A policemans lot is not a happy one. Until you have stood in riot gear, all pumped up facing threats, its difficult be too opinionated unless you have an underlying hatred of cops in the first place.

pk014b7161 · 25-05-2011, 11:59

i have no problem with the police all in all they do a good job and a thankless job at that ,i have a problem with bullies all bullies

grafter · 25-05-2011, 20:42

I have had problems with the police in the past, years ago (nothing serious)

But lets not paint them all with the same brush

I would say all in all they are there when we need them

Who else can you call at 4 am for free and get immediate ish response

nevben · 26-05-2011, 01:01

It has been announced that the copper is to be tried for this. Whilst I have not seen anything of the incident I understand it was a forceful push that caused him to fall. Am I not correct about this?
The CPS position is somewhat confusing though. There was insufficient evidence, or so they said, yet the inquest jury saw it differently, is there an odour of them trying to sweep it under the carpet or am I just getting more cinical as I get older ?

Technogee · 26-05-2011, 13:40

It's been along time for the Tomlinson family. I hope they get justice. It's clear to any one who see the footage Mr Tomlinson was deliberately pushed over by that police officer. I hope the C.P.S AND THE POLICE see the footage instead of sweeping the evidence under the carpet what they normally do !!!!

bewerley · 26-05-2011, 17:30

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It's been along time for the Tomlinson family. I hope they get justice. It's clear to any one who see the footage Mr Tomlinson was deliberately pushed over by that police officer. I hope the C.P.S AND THE POLICE see the footage instead of sweeping the evidence under the carpet what they normally do !!!!

Obviously the Police and CPS will have seen the footage and it is worrying that some Officers seem to abuse their power. I have met some and they are a disgrace.
However we live in an increasingly violent and uncivil society and those fringe lunatics who organise riots and violent demonstrations must also take responsibility if an Officer gets pushed over the edge and innocent people are hurt.
Just who are these nutters who smash up McDonalds and cars in some pathetic anti-capitalist demo and then scream 'Police Brutality'?

nevben · 26-05-2011, 23:16

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Obviously the Police and CPS will have seen the footage and it is worrying that some Officers seem to abuse their power. I have met some and they are a disgrace.
However we live in an increasingly violent and uncivil society and those fringe lunatics who organise riots and violent demonstrations must also take responsibility if an Officer gets pushed over the edge and innocent people are hurt.
Just who are these nutters who smash up McDonalds and cars in some pathetic anti-capitalist demo and then scream 'Police Brutality'?

Hi Bev. You seem to miss the point, Ian was making his way home from work and not part of the demonstration. I personally think that there is a clear case of institutional neputism in this matter and both the police and CPS would have preferred a different view from the inquest.
The case to be made against the officer can not in law take account of the decision at inquest. They must concentrate on the actions at the scene of the incident and if the CPS on looking at the evidence ruled that it was not in a position to prosecute and as the material evidence has not changed then why are they forming a different opinion?

bewerley · 27-05-2011, 06:54

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Hi Bev. You seem to miss the point, Ian was making his way home from work and not part of the demonstration. I personally think that there is a clear case of institutional neputism in this matter and both the police and CPS would have preferred a different view from the inquest.
The case to be made against the officer can not in law take account of the decision at inquest. They must concentrate on the actions at the scene of the incident and if the CPS on looking at the evidence ruled that it was not in a position to prosecute and as the material evidence has not changed then why are they forming a different opinion?

Good answer, and I know that Tomlinson appears to have been an innocent bystander. My point was that when the losers of society set out to attack the very society that supports them then there is always a risk of collateral damage.
As an isolated image the Officer appears to have exceeded his mandate,which the due course of law will determine, but why does nobody complain about the rent-a-crowds that put Officers in these invidious positions.

Malky · 27-05-2011, 08:34

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Originally Posted by bewerley

A policemans lot is not a happy one. Until you have stood in riot gear, all pumped up facing threats, its difficult be too opinionated unless you have an underlying hatred of cops in the first place.

That’s the point though; they are supposed to be trained to manage that pent up aggression / frustration, if our police were routinely armed would the next video be of someone being shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

bewerley · 27-05-2011, 09:45

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That’s the point though; they are supposed to be trained to manage that pent up aggression / frustration, if our police were routinely armed would the next video be of someone being shot for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I think that would definitely happen as it happens time after time in the USA.

Malky · 27-05-2011, 09:57

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I think that would definitely happen as it happens time after time in the USA.

Its happened here but that was an extreme case, but then again I can remember the time when any murder was news worthy but now stabbings and shootings are daily occurrences.

nevben · 27-05-2011, 10:15

I am not so sure the exceeding of their mandate is as isolated as you suggest. What is clear is that the consequences of situations where the police exceed their mandate are not often as serious as in this case.
I do not share your view on that the legal process will not have some bias towards the fact that it is dealing with a serving officer.
The outcome will no doubt be interesting reading, as clearly it will not be possible to find a jury of people who are not aware of the inquest vedict, yet that should not have an influence on their decision in the future case.