[marcon safety uk]

has health and safety gone bonkers? or is it a method of generating good standards of safety in our workplace. We also understand that that 2009/ 2010 has seen the largest reduction in fatalities for years.
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cheers Brian

[wiseguy]

i think its gone bonkers mate way over the top sy fire service as i knew it 3 yrs ago were not allowed to use the poles in fear of hurting their ankles

as if its not possible to fall down the stairs instead

[marcon safety uk]

well if we can stop killing people first then we can consentrate on the 30,000 major injuries that occur each year. thats got to be a positive move surely?

[wiseguy]

whats your point mate i seem to be missing what your trying to get at

[*Peachy*]

Hints in his username Wise guy

[marcon safety uk]

well my friend the point is, is that the health and safety industry gets so much flack because of unnessesary over protective measures that have to be put in place. we have just see the bigest reduction in fatalities in years and where is the praise now, none at all just the same flack. i would like to see the critics try to slag this fantastic reduction

[*Peachy*]

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?

[wiseguy]

i can see your point brian but what type of injuries are reduced do you not find it mental that music teachers now have to wear bloody headphones while teaching there pupils im not saying h&s is a bad thing we would be in a sorry state without it
but some of the stupid things that people get paid 1000s for are just bloody stupid

[marcon safety uk]

yes mate i agree, it is stupid and OTT. the problem is that some individuals dont understand the laws relating to this area, for example the management of health and safety at work regulations 1999 ststes that all planned operations shall have a suitable and sufficient risk assessment so far as is reasonably practicable and all SIGNIFICANT findings shall be recorded. So who deems whats suitable and sufficient? so now we end up with every single miniscule hazard being managed, completly OTT.

[wiseguy]

but surely b4 they can give figures out it needs addressing
you say 30,000 major injuries i would like to see those figures as to what injuries they are on about
im not slating health and safety as i say just want to no how they come up with the said figures

[marcon safety uk]

hi there yes good point, these figures are released by the health and safety executive (HSE) every year. employers must by law, report accidents in the workplace, under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrence Regulations 1995 or (RIDDOR) So if a fatality occurs, or a major injury, then they may investigate, which could in turm lead to prossecutions. So its the HSE that can confirm the reduction in fatalities and also can tell us that major injuries are falling or rising. last year major injuries were in decline too, but still well above 29,000.

[medusa]

The laws of this land include many such instances of words such as 'significant', 'reasonable' and 'suitable', all of which are completely open to interpretation and many of these make the laws in question almost pointless.

The Disability Discrimination Act, for instance, says that all 'reasonable' building improvements should be made to enable access for those with impaired mobility, but the building owner's view of what is 'reasonable' is likely to be completely different to the view of what is a 'reasonable adjustment' from someone who is struggling to access the services from the building.

The same thing applies to H&S laws. The views about improving safety are likely to be completely different depending on whether you're the person who could get killed high up on a ladder or the person paying for the security kit to prevent death or injury.

[wiseguy]

pick the bones outa this then lol

http://i31.servimg.com/u/f31/12/41/46/65/daily_12.jpg

[dervish99]

i deal with a lot of H&S here at the uni and a lot of it is c**p and falls under the common sense rule, but you have to remember people have common sense in varying degrees, i have seen some very inteligent people do the most stupid and dangerous things, like trying to rewire a 3 phase motor whilst it is still powered up... when this was pointed out the reply was "oh i didn't think of that" doh, H&S provides a mechanism for protecting people not from the dangers but from themselves.

[marcon safety uk]

the law has been in place since 1974, would they really change this vital legislation after the reduction in fatalities at an all time low?

[Joe]

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